6 Replies Latest reply: May 15, 2014 10:11 AM by hdieter _ RSS

    Model Compatability

      Just wondering if the models from older versions of Monarch (ie 3, 6 etc) will work with Version 11 Monarch.

        • Model Compatability
          livens _

          If they are .mod, NO. As of v11 only .xmods will work.

            • Model Compatability
              Olly Bond

              Hello hdieter and welcome,

               

              livens is entirely right that since Monarch v8, only .xmod files can be opened, and models can only be saved to that format. v7 saw the introduction of the .xmod format, and was the only version to support both .mod and .xmod.

               

              However, if you have a collection of .mod files and want to convert them, that's easily done. The Monarch Utility, which ships with and installs with Monarch, has an option to convert .mod to .xmod.

               

              Hope this helps,

               

              Olly

                • Model Compatability
                  livens _

                  Hello hdieter and welcome,

                   

                  livens is entirely right that since Monarch v8, only .xmod files can be opened, and models can only be saved to that format.[/B] v7 saw the introduction of the .xmod format, and was the only version to support both .mod and .xmod.

                   

                  However, if you have a collection of .mod files and want to convert them, that's easily done. The Monarch Utility, which ships with and installs with Monarch, has an option to convert .mod to .xmod.

                   

                  Hope this helps,

                   

                  Olly[/QUOTE]

                   

                  That is incorrect. We have employees using version 9 and 10 that still use the older .mod's. It wasnt until this June with version 11 that we could no longer open .mod models.

                   

                  It may be that version 7 was the only version that could save /Bbackwards, ie. save an .xmod as a .mod. But later versions can save .mod's as .xmods.

                   

                  The Monarch Utility sounds usefull, but our IT dept appearently does not install that feature. Or at least I could never find it. Is that ran independantly from Monarch, or from within Monarch itself?

                    • Model Compatability
                      Olly Bond

                      Hello livens,

                       

                      Sorry, my mistake. .mods can be opened and used in versions beyond 7 (I haven't checked v11 on that), but can't be saved in that format. Given that .mod went out with v7, so about a decade ago, it's surprising that no-one's needed to save any changes to Monarch models in that time. I find that whenever we upgrade the ERP system (SAP) we have a few reports that shift field boundaries a little and so we need to tweak the models.

                       

                      Monarch Utility is fantastically useful - especially for managing external references. If you have a project that calls a model on the X drive with lookups from the Y drive - and these drives are mapped differently on another users's machine, Utility can find and fix these. Have a hunt for MonarchU.exe in the Program folder in which Monarch is installed. If it's not there, ask the IT department to install it for you - it's worth the hassle.

                       

                      Best wishes,

                       

                      Olly

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                          Grant Perkins

                          Whilst converting old .mod files to .xmod was a good idea for earlier versions if doing so did not cause a problem for organiisations with users running different versions of Monarch, I think it was either V10 or more likely V10.5 when the conversion became an absolute requirement.

                           

                          As with many changes (an with many applications from many companies) moving forward with the latest and greatest versions of core software from the major suppliers can mean that older features and methods can no longer be supported. Or, worse and something we probably all come across from time to time with various browsers, things change without any obvious announcement to the users or the developers and 'stuff' stops working. Or it works in some cases but not others.

                           

                          In the case of .mod files I think it was good to see Datawatch persisting with the option to work with the older formats for some years. Other companies may have cut and run after a year or two or the second 'new' version after the defalt file format was changed. But there somes a time when continuing with that compatibility rather than converting to the new format starts to make little operational sense and may even become impossible for reasons over which the developers have no control or influence.

                           

                          Once the .mod to .xmod conversion have been run all should be well. If your organisation still has a broad mix of Monarch versions in use you may need to take wome extra care and also consider how long you are likely to be staying in that state and indeed whether the business could benefit from a general upgrade to take advantage of more recent developments.

                           

                          For example another general  problem one faces in IT is that newer hardware platforms will not necessarily support running older software products. On the other hand keeping older hardware running can become expensive and difficult or maybe impossible. There comes a time when only broad upgrades involving bother hardware and software make economic sense, albeit in ways that may not be very palatable as a consumer. Large sections of the computer industry seem to be at or very close to a step change point at the moment. Sadly I can't see the issues this raises going away. If anyone is running mixed systems with plenty of legacy applications and a range of age differentiated versions of desktop applications now may be a good time to work out what to do to ensure continuity for the immediate future.

                           

                          Grant